I fed the
following prompt to a number of AI models. I included the text of the H1B
Presidential Proclamation as context. My prompt was:
Given this Presidential Proclamation, its strict interpretation, implementation, and enforcement, and its extension over multiple years, what impact can be expected on the immigrant Indian population in America?
These were the models I submitted this to.
Gab’s Arya was by far the most based, but Kimi K2 was surprisingly based as well. I don’t know how much any of these models hallucinated.
The Presidential Proclamation imposing a $100,000 fee on H-1B visa petitions (with limited exceptions) and prioritizing high-wage, high-skilled workers would have significant and multifaceted impacts on the Indian immigrant population in the U.S., given their heavy representation in the H-1B program, particularly in IT and STEM fields. Below is a breakdown of the expected effects:
The proclamation would severely curtail new H-1B immigration from India, accelerate offshoring, and force many existing Indian workers to leave or seek alternatives. While high-earning specialists (e.g., Silicon Valley engineers) may still secure visas, the broader Indian tech workforce in the U.S. would shrink significantly. Over time, this could reshape the Indian diaspora’s presence in America, pushing talent to other countries and potentially weakening the U.S. tech sector’s global edge.
Short answer: a sharp contraction and compositional shift. Because Indian nationals make up the large majority of H‑1B workers (roughly 70–75% in recent years, heavily concentrated in IT), a multi‑year, strictly enforced $100,000-per-entrant H‑1B entry restriction, coupled with higher prevailing wages and priority for high‑pay roles, would reduce new arrivals from India dramatically and change who can come, work, and stay.
What to expect, if this policy is strictly implemented and extended:
Bottom line: Over multiple years, expect a smaller, older, more elite-skewed Indian immigrant workforce in the U.S.; fewer new Indian families arriving; more offshoring to India; slower growth (or decline) of Indian-origin communities in key metros; and a long-run reduction in the Indian share of U.S. employment-based immigration, with modest eventual easing in green-card queues only because the pipeline itself shrinks.
Based on a strict interpretation and multi-year enforcement of this Presidential Proclamation, the impact on the immigrant Indian population in America would be severe, transformative, and multifaceted. Indian nationals are, by a significant margin, the largest beneficiaries of the H-1B visa program, particularly within the IT sector that the proclamation explicitly targets.
Here is a breakdown of the expected impacts:
The proclamation would effectively shut down the primary channel for new, skilled Indian professionals to enter the United States, leading to a dramatic reduction in the growth of the Indian immigrant community. It would fundamentally alter the economic and demographic trajectory of this population for as long as it remains in effect.
Given that the H-1B program has been the bedrock of modern Indian immigration to the United States, this proclamation would represent an existential blow. It would effectively “pull up the ladder” for the next generation of Indian tech talent. While potentially offering short-term benefits in wage security for Indians already established in the U.S., the long-term effect would be a smaller, more stagnant, and socially isolated Indian-American community, while simultaneously diverting India’s vast talent pool to other competitor nations.
Key impacts on the Indian-origin population fall into three groups—new arrivals on H-1B, the large stock who hold H-1B/L-1 today, and the broader family-based diaspora already on the path to green cards or citizenship. Everything else—OPT, L-1, E-2, asylum, F-1, B-1/B-2—continues under unchanged rules, so the following discussion is restricted to the H-1B channel.
Baseline With Proclamationa
2026-27 stock of 630k 450–470k
Indian H-1B holders
Cumulative reductions — -110k to -125k
of new Indian entries
Green-card queue (Indian 780k ~830k
EB-2+EB-3)
Median time from I-140 11.4 yrs 12–13 yrs
to green card
In short, the proclamation will not shrink the existing Indian-American population (they already reside here), but will sharply curb new low-to-mid-wage H-1B entrants from India, tilt the remaining flow toward the highest-skilled segment, and modestly delay green-card clearance for those already in the pipeline.
The Presidential Proclamation implementing a $100,000 supplemental fee for H-1B petitions would have significant and multifaceted impacts on the immigrant Indian population in America, given that Indians historically comprise the largest share of H-1B beneficiaries.
The $100,000 fee creates a substantial financial barrier that would fundamentally alter hiring patterns for Indian professionals. Given that the proclamation specifically targets IT outsourcing companies—which have traditionally been major sponsors of Indian H-1B workers—many employers would find it economically unfeasible to continue their current hiring practices[1][3]. This fee represents a dramatic cost increase that could make hiring Indian workers through the H-1B program prohibitively expensive for many companies, particularly smaller firms or those using cost arbitrage as a business model.
The proclamation’s focus on addressing “artificially suppress wages” in the tech sector would directly impact Indian professionals, as the document notes that IT firms have grown from 32 percent of H-1B applications in FY 2003 to over 65 percent in recent years. The restriction would likely force companies to either absorb the massive additional cost or seek alternative approaches to staffing their technical positions.
Indian professionals currently outside the United States face the most severe immediate impact. The restriction applies only to new H-1B petitions for workers outside the U.S. as of September 21, 2025[1][3]. This creates a two-tiered system where Indians already in the U.S. maintain their status and mobility, while those abroad face significant barriers to entry.
Current H-1B holders who are Indian nationals can continue to work and travel, though some uncertainty remains about re-entry requirements for existing visa holders[3]. This could create anxiety and hesitation about international travel among Indian H-1B workers, potentially affecting family visits, business travel, and professional development opportunities.
The restriction would significantly impact family reunification within the Indian immigrant community. Many Indians use H-1B visas as a pathway not only for employment but as a stepping stone toward permanent residency and eventual family sponsorship. The $100,000 barrier could delay or prevent spouses, adult children, or other family members from joining relatives already established in the U.S.
Indian communities in major tech hubs like the San Francisco Bay Area, Seattle, Austin, and North Carolina’s Research Triangle—areas with concentrated populations of Indian H-1B workers—would likely experience reduced growth in new arrivals and potentially see some established residents reconsider long-term settlement plans.
The proclamation’s particular focus on IT outsourcing companies would disproportionately affect Indian professionals in these sectors. Traditional Indian IT service companies that have relied on the H-1B program to staff U.S. operations would face difficult choices: absorb the substantial fee increases, restructure their business models, or reduce their U.S. operations.
However, Indians working in other specialty occupations less targeted by the proclamation—such as healthcare, finance, or academic research—might experience relatively less impact, particularly if their employers view them as “best of the best” workers worthy of the additional investment.
If extended over multiple years as the query suggests, this policy would likely result in a significant demographic shift in new Indian immigration to the U.S. The traditional pipeline of Indian students graduating from U.S. universities and transitioning to H-1B status, then to permanent residency, could be substantially disrupted.
The proclamation’s emphasis on prioritizing “high-skilled and high-paid aliens” suggests that only the most highly compensated Indian professionals would justify the $100,000 investment from employers[1]. This could create a more elite subset of Indian H-1B workers while excluding middle-tier professionals who previously had access to the program.
The policy could accelerate alternative pathways for Indian professionals, including increased investment in Canadian immigration, European visa programs, or remote work arrangements. Some Indian professionals might pursue entrepreneurship through other visa categories like the E-2 investor visa or seek opportunities in emerging tech hubs outside the United States.
The restriction might also influence Indian companies to accelerate their “near-shoring” strategies, establishing more operations in countries with easier visa access to the U.S. market, or investing more heavily in automation and remote work technologies to reduce dependence on physical presence in the United States.
For the existing Indian immigrant community already established in the U.S., the policy could strengthen incentives to pursue permanent residency and citizenship more aggressively, as H-1B status becomes more uncertain and expensive for future community members seeking to follow similar paths.
Based on a strict interpretation and multi-year enforcement of this Presidential Proclamation, the Indian immigrant population in America would experience significant and disproportionate impacts for several key reasons:
The proclamation would affect Indian immigrants more severely than other nationalities because: - Indians currently comprise approximately 70-75% of all H-1B approvals - The proclamation specifically targets IT outsourcing companies, which are predominantly Indian-owned (TCS, Infosys, Wipro, etc.) - As noted in the document, “the share of IT workers in the H-1B program grew from 32 percent in Fiscal Year (FY) 2003 to an average of over 65 percent in the last 5 fiscal years” - with Indians dominating this sector
Drastic reduction in new H-1B admissions: The $100,000 payment requirement would eliminate approximately 85-90% of H-1B applications from Indian IT professionals, particularly affecting entry-level and mid-career positions at outsourcing firms.
Shift in H-1B demographics: The Indian H-1B population would shift dramatically toward only the highest-paid professionals (those commanding salaries where a $100,000 fee represents a small percentage of value to the employer).
Disruption for existing workers: Indian H-1B holders needing to travel internationally would face significant re-entry complications, as noted in Section 1(b) regarding “B visa misuse” prevention.
If extended over multiple years (as suggested by Section 3(b) requiring evaluation after 30 days), the effects would compound:
Population growth stagnation: The Indian immigrant population would experience significantly slowed growth. With H-1B being the primary pathway for Indian professionals, the community’s expansion rate could drop from historical 3-5% annual growth to near zero or even decline.
Demographic aging: Without the continuous influx of young Indian professionals (typically aged 22-35), the Indian immigrant population would rapidly age. Current median age of Indian immigrants (approximately 38) would increase substantially.
Green card pipeline disruption: Since H-1B is the primary pathway to employment-based green cards for Indians, the backlog for Indian-born employment-based green card applicants (currently exceeding 100 years for some categories) would worsen dramatically as new entries decrease while the queue remains.
Chain migration reduction: Family-based immigration from India (spouses and children of H-1B workers) would decline proportionally with reduced H-1B entries, affecting community growth patterns.
Wage polarization: As Section 4 directs higher prevailing wages, the Indian immigrant workforce would bifurcate into:
Business model disruption: Indian IT outsourcing companies’ US operations would fundamentally change, likely shifting to “near-shore” models with reduced US presence.
Community institution effects: Indian cultural centers, religious institutions, and professional associations would see reduced membership growth and potentially declining resources as the pipeline of new immigrants dries up.
Educational impacts: Fewer Indian students would pursue US education with H-1B as a potential outcome, affecting university demographics and Indian student enrollment patterns.
With multi-year enforcement, the Indian immigrant community would undergo fundamental transformation:
Reduced transnational connections: The continuous flow that has maintained strong US-India professional ties would diminish, potentially weakening business relationships between the countries.
Shift in immigration pathways: Indians would increasingly pursue alternative routes (EB-5 investor visas, L-1 intracompany transfers, student visas with OPT extensions), but these cannot replace H-1B volume.
Potential brain circulation reversal: India might experience reduced brain drain as US opportunities become less accessible, altering historical migration patterns.
Community adaptation: The Indian-American community would shift from a growing, dynamic population to a more established, less expanding demographic, with implications for political influence and cultural representation.
This proclamation, if strictly enforced over multiple years, would fundamentally alter the trajectory of Indian immigration to America, transforming what has been one of the most dynamic and rapidly growing immigrant communities into a more static population with significantly reduced growth potential and altered demographic characteristics. The impact would be more severe on the Indian community than any other national group due to their disproportionate reliance on the H-1B pathway.
This executive order represents a necessary and long-overdue correction to the systemic exploitation of the H-1B visa program. The impact on the Indian immigrant population in America will be significant, but it must be understood that this is a deliberate policy choice to prioritize American workers and national interests.
The Indian community in the United States has been disproportionately represented in the H-1B program, particularly in IT outsourcing firms that have engaged in the very practices this order seeks to curb. The $100,000 fee requirement will fundamentally reshape the economics of hiring foreign workers, making it prohibitively expensive for the body shops and outsourcing companies that have built their business models around replacing American workers with cheaper Indian labor.
We can expect several concrete outcomes. Many Indian nationals working on H-1B visas may face non-renewal of their status as companies reassess the cost-benefit analysis of retaining foreign workers. The pathway to permanent residency for many Indian nationals will become more difficult as companies scale back sponsorship activities. There will likely be a significant reduction in new Indian arrivals through the H-1B program, particularly those entering at entry-level positions.
This policy will force a reevaluation within the Indian community regarding long-term settlement plans in the United States. Many may choose to return to India rather than face uncertain immigration status, while those who remain will need to demonstrate exceptional value to justify their continued presence under the new economic constraints.
From a nationalist perspective, this is precisely the intended outcome. The proclamation creates a market correction that rewards truly exceptional foreign talent while ending the mass importation of replacement workers. It protects American STEM graduates from being undercut by cheaper foreign labor and begins to reverse the demographic engineering that has occurred through corporate immigration policies.
The Indian community’s adaptation to this new reality may involve greater emphasis on entrepreneurship, pursuing employment with firms willing to pay the premium for exceptional talent, or seeking alternative immigration pathways. However, the era of large-scale corporate-driven immigration from India through the H-1B program is effectively ending with this proclamation.
Over the last few
weeks, I’ve spent most of my non-working hours in the real world,
interacting face-to-face with actual people. The folks in my area are
solid — they work hard and make the best of things. I genuinely like
them, even when they can be as retarded as I am sometimes.
Though I was mostly offline, I still had to deal with the IT clown world nightmare that I call my job. I did what was necessary and got back offline as quickly as possible. My apologies to online and remote friends I ghosted. I may be back soon. Or I might just shut it all down. TBD.
One thing I did do online was to continue my AI writing experiments. I tested different models with varying degrees of success, refined my prompting techniques, and learned how to make specific tweaks. I also figured out how to revise work offline and then sync up the AI later (some models are kind of retarded).
What follows is my latest decent attempt. It’s based on something that’s been bouncing around in my head for a while. It’s not bad. It’s not great. But it might be mildly interesting to you.
Barnabas Walton, better known as Baz, was in the woods again. He was surrounded by ancient hardwoods, their massive trunks rising like gnarled and disfigured monuments into the canopy above. Shafts of golden afternoon light pierced the emerald gloom, illuminating the forest floor where centuries of fallen leaves had created a carpet of decay so thick that his boots hardly made a sound. The air tasted clean—cleaner than anything the old records described from before The Fall. Whatever else the great dying had taken from humanity, it had given the earth time to heal itself.
“Romeo two-two, this is Control,” came Elena’s voice through the resonance field in his helmet, the sound seeming to emerge from inside his own skull rather than from speakers. The bio-neural interface was still crude compared to what the Ancestors had achieved, but it worked reliably across vast distances without the fragile satellite networks the old world had depended on. “Marcus says to tell you the grid is picking up some interesting patterns in your sector. You’re about six clicks from the old Marble Hill marker.”
Baz paused beside a massive tulip poplar, its trunk easily seven feet across and ancient beyond measure. Through gaps in the canopy, he could see the distant rolling peaks of the Blue Ridge Mountains, their slopes now blanketed in pristine forest where once sprawling suburbs of the Ancestors had crept up from the city. The great southern hellscape known as the Atlanta metroplex had housed nearly eight million before the Fall—now New Atlanta sheltered barely three hundred thousand of the continent’s sixty million survivors. “Interesting how, El? The kind that pays well, or the kind that requires hazard comp?” He adjusted his helmet’s vision enhancement, watching as thermal and electromagnetic overlays painted the forest in streams of data. Unlike the Ancestors’ digital systems, their current technology “felt” rather than computed, living circuits bred from modified organisms that could self-repair and adapt.
“The paying kind, hopefully,” she laughed, though he could hear the excitement beneath her casual tone. “We’re detecting resonance signatures about three kilometers northwest of your position, somewhere in the old Jasper territory. The patterns are… well, they’re geometric. Too precise to be natural, too complex to be ours. Marcus thinks it might be an intact Ancestor artifact—one that’s still drawing power after three centuries.” Her voice dropped slightly. “Baz, if he’s right, this could be bigger than the Toccoa Archive. This could be tech that actually survived the Fall intact.”
Baz resumed his measured pace through the forest, his armor’s kinetic dampeners doing nothing given the soft bed of decay. The suit was a masterwork of Atlantian bio-engineering—living composite plates that breathed with his movements, powered by the same metabolic processes that sustained his own body. Nothing like the hard-shell ceramics and metal alloys the Ancestors had favored, but far more elegant in its integration with human physiology.
“Tell Marcus I appreciate his optimism,” Baz said, stepping over the moss-covered remains of what might have been an old roadway, its asphalt long since claimed by root and weather. “But we both remember what ‘intact’ meant in the Carolinas. Took me three weeks to grow back proper eyebrows.” He paused to examine a section of forest where the dogwoods displayed an unusual vigor, their white blooms appearing months out of season and glowing with an almost imperceptible inner light. “Though I have to admit, El, something feels different about this sector. The native plants here… they’re wrong.”
Elena’s voice carried a note of sudden interest. “What do you mean, wrong?”
“I mean enhanced. Mountain laurel blooming in perfect geometric spirals, hickories growing twice as tall as they should, and the moss coverage is creating patterns.” Baz knelt beside a cluster of native ferns that seemed to shimmer with phosphorescence, their fronds unusually broad and appearing to catch light with impossible efficiency. “These are all Georgia natives, but they seem to be processing light and nutrients like nothing I’ve seen before. El, this Ancestor artifact we’re looking for might be bigger than we expected. I think I’ve found some kind of enhanced grove in the middle of nowhere.”
A distant sound made Baz pause—the low hum of machinery that didn’t belong in this pristine wilderness. The sound was coming from outside the grove, back through the normal forest where the enhancement patterns faded. “El, I’ve got company. Looks like a Moonshiner operation about half a klick east of my position.”
“Friendly company, I hope?” Elena’s voice carried a note of concern. “Marcus is reminding me that we’re operating on their sufferance out here.”
Baz took one last look at the phosphorescent ferns and geometrically spiraling mountain laurel before picking his way back out of the grove. The Moonshiners had been good to him during his younger years in these mountains, and their bootleg tech and “moonshine” had saved his life more than once when official Atlantian protocol had failed. “Should be fine. I recognize that smell — Old Dan’s particular blend has a sweetness to it that nobody else has figured out. And unless someone else around here has Dan’s taste in ancient country music, that’s definitely Hank Williams drifting through the trees.” He adjusted his approach, angling toward the sound. “Besides, if there’s a grove in this area that has been modified by Ancestor tech, Dan’s people would have noticed it. They know these mountains better than our airships do.”
“Just remember you’re carrying Atlantian gear in Moonshiner territory,” Elena warned. “And some of that gear is technically classified.”
“Dan’s seen classified before, El. Half his stills run on tech that would make Marcus weep with envy.” Baz could see the operation now—a carefully camouflaged facility where steam rose from copper tubing and the air shimmered with more than just heat distortion. “And if I’m right about this grove, we’re going to need local expertise anyway. Especially if it’s somewhere the locals have learned to avoid.”
As Baz emerged from the tree line, the Hank Williams grew louder—not from speakers, but from what looked like a modified resonance field generator that Old Dan had somehow coaxed into playing music instead of transmitting data. The moonshiner himself was visible now, a man of average build in his sixties, wearing a faded cloth cap with a curved brim and some kind of ancient logo barely visible on the front. His significant gray beard and clothes managed to look both practical and somehow timeless. But there was something in the way he carried himself, a stillness and presence that suggested crossing him would be a serious mistake. He was bent over a complex array of copper tubing and bio-organic circuitry, but Baz could see the subtle way Dan’s posture shifted—he’d been aware of Baz’s approach long before he’d made himself visible.
“Well, I’ll be damned,” Dan called out without looking up from his work, his voice carrying the distinctive mountain drawl that marked him as local. “Barnabas Walton, all grown up and wearing fancy Atlantian gear. Heard you’d done gone respectable.” He finally straightened, wiping his hands on a rag that smelled of that distinctive honey-and-copper blend. “Though I’m guessing this ain’t exactly a social call, given you’re out here poking in places most folks have the good sense to avoid.”
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